Muon
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Muon has 23 facts recorded in Dontopedia across 4 references, with 2 live disagreements.
Mostly:cost amortization reason(2), per step cost context(2), produces nan(1)
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| Predicate | Value | Ref |
|---|---|---|
| Cost Amortization Reason | optimizer step is fixed-time | [4] |
| Cost Amortization Reason | forward/backward grow with T | [4] |
| Per Step Cost Context | long-context training regime | [4] |
| Per Step Cost Context | architecture shines | [4] |
| Produces Nan | By Step 100 | [1] |
| Compared to | Adam W | [2] |
| Superior in Long Context | Adam W | [2] |
| Known for Fixed Overhead | {} | [2] |
| Costs Throughput | 15-30% | [2] |
| Has Params | 119.358M | [3] |
| Has Per Layer Groups | 57 | [3] |
| Rdf:type | Optimizer | [4] |
| Cost Comparison Vs | Adamw | [4] |
| Throughput Cost Lower Bound | 15 | [4] |
| Throughput Cost Upper Bound | 30 | [4] |
| Throughput Cost Unit | percent | [4] |
| Cost Reason | NS5 iteration on each 2D weight | [4] |
| Cost Amortized at Long T | true | [4] |
| Overhead Type | fixed cost | [4] |
| Overhead Impact Condition | each step is short | [4] |
| Per Step Cost Relative | noise relative to AdamW | [4] |
| Per Step Cost Condition | T ≥ 2K | [4] |
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doc:agent/watt-activation-690/506c50ab-67a0-4d6a-95fd-dbf8de71ca9eShow excerpt
[2026-04-28 09:25] xenonfun: Noted — designer says Muon-manifold is the highest-impact lever. That's consistent with the harmonicrust ecosystem: wave_unified_muon_train already uses Muon (NS5) on proj_out + ManifoldMuon on omega + Rotationa…
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