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[2025-08-14 23:54] jonathan.poczatek: i couldnt use it [2025-08-14 23:54] foxhop.: so stop spreading bs [2025-08-14 23:54] jonathan.poczatek: but the examples were interesting. like you could switch out a database with another one [2025-08-14 23:54] jonathan.poczatek: to examine its performance [2025-08-14 23:54] jonathan.poczatek: or swap out a model [2025-08-14 23:54] jonathan.poczatek: just for evaluating a concept or whatever [2025-08-14 23:54] foxhop.: langchain only makes working with vector dbs ok beside that it was cumbersome and a waste of code. [2025-08-14 23:55] jonathan.poczatek: yeah but it was the first [2025-08-14 23:55] foxhop.: it wasn't first [2025-08-14 23:55] foxhop.: it just exists. [2025-08-14 23:55] jonathan.poczatek: you know what else exists? frameworks that better encapsulate the idea of an 'agent' and what it should be [2025-08-14 23:56] jonathan.poczatek: tool calling being a method of class agent [2025-08-14 23:57] jonathan.poczatek: that encompassed function calling, but functions are confused with actual execution of code [2025-08-14 23:57] foxhop.: more buzzwords [2025-08-14 23:57] jonathan.poczatek: all of this is an abstraction over the fact that none of this shit is happening under the hood [2025-08-14 23:58] jonathan.poczatek: its only a buzzword if you refuse to acknowledge that frameworks that define these concepts actually exist [2025-08-14 23:58] jonathan.poczatek: and its just compositional on top of whats happening under the hood, which can be expressed in langchain [2025-08-14 23:58] foxhop.: these concepts exist without marketing buzzwords. [2025-08-14 23:58] jonathan.poczatek: yeah what are they called [2025-08-14 23:59] foxhop.: typically we use standards not marketing buzzwords in computer science. [2025-08-14 23:59] jonathan.poczatek: there are no standards for what an agent is [2025-08-14 23:59] jonathan.poczatek: or tools are [2025-08-14 23:59] jonathan.poczatek: or whatever [2025-08-14 23:59] foxhop.: standards are all over the place, because its literally just ASCII. [2025-08-15 00:00] jonathan.poczatek: idk man its easier to express these concepts once theres a semantic understanding of what is happening [2025-08-15 00:00] jonathan.poczatek: and be able to map that to existing standards [2025-08-15 00:00] jonathan.poczatek: and underlying shit [2025-08-15 00:00] jonathan.poczatek: a logical abstraction that lets you build and express functionality [2025-08-15 00:00] jonathan.poczatek: without knowing whats happenigng underneath [2025-08-15 00:00] foxhop.: bad abstractions make for problems in search of solutions. [2025-08-15 00:01] jonathan.poczatek: Thats why the 'agent' concept evolved to be the one used everywhere [2025-08-15 00:01] jonathan.poczatek: and they have hard definitions [2025-08-15 00:01] jonathan.poczatek: in various frameworks [2025-08-15 00:01] foxhop.: agents existed before language models. [2025-08-15 00:01] jonathan.poczatek: Yeah but now there are language models